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Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2843

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I found out by accident when I went into purchase $$250.00 worth of diesel and found out that I had to purchase at least $10.00 in food or merchandise from Flying J to get the .01cent discount on diesel fuel/gal. or .03cent/gal of gasoline. If you just go in and purchase diesel or gas you get nothing now. This started on 1, Feb. 08. I see no reason other than the diesel is always fresh to buy from Flying J anymore. I never dump there either. What are your feelings about this? >:( :(
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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2844

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I have gas - I mean my "rig" has gas. ::) Personally, I've never liked Flying J for various reasons.
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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2847

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This has been boucing around the net all month. Its kinda a bummer but like they say they dont make no money off of their gas sales and make a heck of a lot more off of sales in the store and restaurant. Your purchases still build up like before for purchases. Read about those different purchase amounts and discounts here. www.flyingj.com/programs/rvclub.cfm

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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2850

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We still received the $.01 off each gallon RV discount on 2/15/08 but since then we have not received it. We always use the Truck side to get diesel with our Flying J card and then get the $.06 off each gallon. Most times their prices are the best you can find in any truck stops as we usually travel along I10, I75 or I95. When we asked about the $.01 off each gallon no longer applying we were told it was included in the $.06 off each gallon. Not true as we got $.06 off each gallon and the $.01 off each gallon RV discount before for a total of $.07 off each gallon. Too bad Wal*Mart fuel stations cannot accomodate our 45' motorhome as we find their prices are the lowest of anyone. We do carry a couple 5 gallon diesel cans with us as we travel and fill them at a Wal*Mart and then dump them in the motorhome while at the campground. Does not accomplish much with a 150 gallon fuel tank but it makes us feel like we are not giving OPEC more than we have to.

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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2851

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Always find it interesting that gas stations "claim" they don't make much money off the gas -- Not only interesting, but extremely hard to believe. What kind of business is a gas station ??

And, I'm sure the station makes more off the restaurant and the sales of items -- but I remember a friend of mine had a small-town gas station combo country-store in rural California -- he told me the only thing that kept him in business was the profit from the gas sales, and that the store was only so he could get people to come and buy gas when they stopped on the way home for a six-pack or bread, no one wants to make a trip to the big grocery stores ... Probably true too, (why would he lie to me??) but I can remember seeing items on his shelves (canned goods and boxed products) so old they had dust on them ...

He said beer and gas made him his money ... the rest was a break-even sort of just to get the people to stop in ...

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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2853

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Always find it interesting that gas stations "claim" they don't make much money off the gas -- Not only interesting, but extremely hard to believe. What kind of business is a gas station ??


Not sure about other states, but here in Oklahoma there is a state law that REQUIRES all fuel retailers to sell at a minimum of 6 cents above what they pay for the fuel. Due to the high cost of fuel these days almost all the stations only use that mandeated 6 cent markup. They've got to sell a lot of fuel at 6 cents a gallon profit to make a living. Prices today in the north Oklahoma City are $2.99 for regular gasoline and $3.80 for diesel. Not sure what the Flying J was charging since the nearest one is out on west I-40 and I have not been out that way for awhile.
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"Not sure about other states, but here in Oklahoma there is a state law that REQUIRES all fuel retailers to sell at a minimum of 6 cents above what they pay for the fuel."

Which means they CAN charge more than six cents -- but assuming six cents ... and probably an average of 20 gal each time ... and say 12 pumps ( I drove around town and find an average 12 pumps on the small stations) So, lets say it takes 5 minutes to fill a tank and half the pumps are running half the time -- seems like that when I fill up anyway -- most of the pumps are in use, and often a short waiting group during the busiest times.

So if we go 5 minutes, that's 12 tanks an hour, times 24 hours times 12 pumps -- 20 gal x $.06 x 12 p/hr x 12 pumps x 24 hrs = $4147 a day -- then if you divide that in half, because all pumps don't run all the time, but at least half are busy most of the time, then you end up with $2073 a day, so that's $62,190 a month ... and most of the time you pay at the pump, so no attendent.

But, someone must be there, so say minimum wage cashier at $2000 a month x 3 shifts = $6000 plus benefits (even if you double it, $6000 = $12,000 -- that's $50,000 a month to pay rent and utilites and insurance ... and that's a small station ... there are three stations near my home that have 36, 24 and 32 pumps ... and they are busy all the time right off the state highway ... 24 hours a day -- less at night, but still busy.

Plus, they have a mini-mart attached. So, the attendents pay, rent, and overhead probably comes out of the store profits ... so, that means the $50,000 a month just sits there in my bank account making me smile -- even if I'm off by half, that $25,000 a month in my bank account makes me smile just as wide. And that's if I charge the MINIMUM $.06 ....

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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2857

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Lambart,
Where are you traveling and what do you use to get .06cent/gal. at Flying J? I need to know. I can't even get the .01cent.
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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2858

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Lambart,
Where are you traveling and what do you use to get .06cent/gal. at Flying J? I need to know. I can't even get the .01cent.
Bill

The price posted on the sign at Flying J for diesel is for the truckers cost. If you are not a trucker, with an ICC number, then you will pay 5 cents a gallon more. The price on the pump at the truck islands is 5 cents higher than what is posted on the sign out front for diesel. When you enter your ICC number the cost is decreased by 5 cents per gallon. When we use our Flying J RV Cards we also get the reduced amount at the truckers price. Now, to get the extra 1 cent RV discount you must first have spent at least $10 on non-fuel items in one of the Flying J stores during the month. If you've spent more than $50 during the month you can get a 2 cent discount with your RV Card. Your non-fuel spending is recorded in the Flying J computer and is cumulative for the month.
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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2860

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The price posted on the sign at Flying J for diesel is for the truckers cost. If you are not a trucker, with an ICC number, then you will pay 5 cents a gallon more. The price on the pump at the truck islands is 5 cents higher than what is posted on the sign out front for diesel. When you enter your ICC number the cost is decreased by 5 cents per gallon. When we use our Flying J RV Cards we also get the reduced amount at the truckers price.

So, lets see if I understand this. The price posted on the sign is $3.95/gal. If I go to the truck island, the price on the pump is .05 cents higher but if I use the J card I get that .05cents back. Is the price on the pump at the RV island the same as the one on the truck island or is it the price on the sign? If it is the price on the sign then I don't see where we get a discount by using the truck island. That would make it the same as the RV island.
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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2861

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Monkey if that were true than how come gas stations fold. Because of the high gas price last thursday a news report here in Utah said that half the gas stations in Salt Lake City were closing their doors. Reason? They cannot afford to pay for the fuel. Many years ago I owned an American Oil gas station in Missoula, Montana. One of three stations in the town then. And missoula was not small by any means but anyway I had six pumps and only averaged 100 cars a day. I made more on oil changes, repairs, and tires than I made on gas. Figure it this way back than I paid 10 cents for a pop but I made 45 cents per can. Today in a bar for example they pay 10 cents per glass of pop and they charge a dollar. You do the math. Its the same or other items in the store. If I sell friut pies for 1.00 and I paid 25 cents for it tell me that is not a heck of a lot more than 6 cents a gal. It all adds up. And you pay for the fuel when you get it not after you have sold it. And insurance and utilities on a business are a heck of a lot more than in a home. I know a gas station store that pays 1000 dollars a day in electricity alone thats 30,000 a month now add 12,000 as you put if for employees, and another 3000 dollars a month in taxes and insurance, thats 45000 a month there alone and now that dont include cleaning supplies, water, gas, and other items. If someone uses a credit card to buy gas the gas station pays up to 5% of the cost of the sale for the credit card to be processed. So you buy 100 dollars in gas and pay with a credit card. Thats five dollars the station pays so you can use your card. So the stations makes 1.25 on the gas sale of 100 dollars but pays 5 dollars leaves him a minus-3.25 in the hole. You do the math.

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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2862

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I've been a 'small business owner" all my working life (after my military days) Don't know why small stations close -- probably the competition from larger stations that do undercut them ... was not trying to show that someone can make a million bucks in a gas station, but only that the numbers show that a good businessman can make money selling gas ... and that I get a little tired of gas station owners raising the price of gas .25 a gallon from one day to the next for gas already in the underground tanks that's already paid for ... and telling me he isn't making money --and that stations tell everyone they can't making money. You can make money running a gas station. That was my only point -- I can't help if if someone goes out of business, that's usually other factors than the profit value of per gallon ...

Once remember when we got real service -- that is, check the oil -- windows, etc. Now, the price is ten times that, and we have to pump ourselves and check our own oil -- and when I try to talk to an attendent, we can't communicate because English is his second language, and he/she doesn't speak it well.

So, a small gas station (like any other small business) needs hands-on to make it work ... and so, telling me the price of gas and the profit margin is the reason does not hold water with me ... that's all. The money is there to be made -- people do not stop buying gas -- as we can see. People don't stop buying gas, and have not changed gas habits very much -- still go to the store and the PO and camping -- the high price of gas just makes the cost of it more, not the margin ... according to that other post, is gas mark-up is .06, then it should make no difference whether gas sells at $3.00 or $6.00 ... the mark-up is still .06 ... so the margin is the same.

So the profit on a gallon of gas is the same -- and good service will get and keep your customers ... at least as a general statement ...

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Re: Flying J's RV discount program 13 years 4 months ago #2863

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With an RV card, the cash price is usually at least .03-05/gal less. That hasn’t changed. I have also found that Flying J prices are typically lower than other national brand truck stops.

A penny extra discount for my rig is a buck. Having to spend $10 in the store once a month means that I’d have to fill up 10 times a month to get that $10 back in fuel discount savings. I doubt anyone drives that much in an RV. But since there is a 300 gal purchase limit per month, it ain’t gonna happen anyway.

But on the other hand, I do occasionally stop for lunch when traveling. It would not be unreasonable to eat at the Flying J buffet once a month to qualify for the penny.

Lamsan> I agree that Wally World isn’t usually the place to refuel a big rig, but you have given me an idea. If they wanted that business, perhaps they should be posting “RV friendly” signs. Since FMCA consorts with them on their Atlas, maybe they can convince Wal-Mart to do it.

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Because of the high gas price last thursday a news report here in Utah said that half the gas stations in Salt Lake City were closing their doors. Reason? They cannot afford to pay for the fuel.


This is why the minimum of 6 cent markup was set in Oklahoma by the Corporation Commission. This way the big national chains can't come in and sell at cost or less to run the little guys out of business. It makes a level playing field. Having said that you will seldom see anyone selling for more than the 6 cent markup. Also, about the only time you see a price change is when you see a delivery truck in their lot filling the tanks.
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So, lets see if I understand this. The price posted on the sign is $3.95/gal. If I go to the truck island, the price on the pump is .05 cents higher but if I use the J card I get that .05cents back. Is the price on the pump at the RV island the same as the one on the truck island or is it the price on the sign? If it is the price on the sign then I don't see where we get a discount by using the truck island. That would make it the same as the RV island.


Usually the price at the RV pump is the same as what is posted on the sign. It's the non-ICC trucks that have to pay the higher rate. I don't like using the RV pumps because they are usually hard to get into or out of or some goofus in a pickup truck has pulled blocking the pumps. Also, I have found that at some of the Flying J's the RV pumps don't have the final filter on the pump and you have a chance of getting some trashy diesel. Look at that big filter on the hose at the truck pumps. We got some bad diesel last summer that cost us a fuel lift pump. We traced the fuel back to the RV pump at a Flying J here in Oklahoma City where we filled up on our way out of town.
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Monkey, you said you cant see why they charge a higher price for gas in the ground. Let me try to explain to you. Ok you are being refilled with gas and the price you are paying is more than what you have been charging. The price can go up a lot between each time you fill your tank. Ok you have to pay for that gas today. Not when it is sold next week. So you raise the price today cuz you just gave the gas distributor a check for it to pay for it. And the station across the street also just got his gas and he had to raise his price as well. And you cannot under sell him by more than a certain percentage by law. And besides how do you determine how much gas to sell before you raise your price even if you did want to do that. Its not like its on the shelf for all to see. If you think there is money to be made in the gas business, your very wrong, its a dog eat dog business. You want to make it work you have to sell something besides gas and it has to be something that will bring in the customers. The people making money on fuel is the oil company owners who are being paid for the oil they took out of the ground. And next is the guy who refines it.
Lastly say you still have gas in your tank you paid half what the price is, you still have to charge based on the local going rate. You cannot charge less than the average going rate "period". The rate can be give or take usually around 20 cents. Thats also the reason why states usually go after what is known as a gas gouger the person who sells for more than that 20 cents. The fines are big for that and they also can close the business and take it away and sell it at public auction as well as put the owner in jail.
I sold my gas station after less than 2 years of business cuz there was not enough money in it to make an honest living in my book. I made more money working for a company trying to find where there was oil in the ground.

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